Episode 092 – Partly Cloudy

Posted by Tony on July 14, 2013 in Show-mp3, Show-ogg |



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Total Running Time: 1:35:15

Un-edited Live session – http://www.youtube.com/embed/mSf8vlzUzEo

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Kernel News: Mat
Time: 14:45
Distro Talk: Tony
Time: 18:15
Mary Distro Review
Time: 32:50
Tech News:
Time: 50:05
Time: 1:18:25
Listener Feedback
Time: 1:24:15
Outtro Music
Time: 1:30:30


Tony Bemus, Mat Enders, and Mary Tomich
Sound bites by Mike Tanner

Kernel News: Mat

Time: 14:45

Release Candidate:


Stable Updates:
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:47:27 PDT
Greg Kroah-Hartman released kernel 3.0.86
With 12 files changed, 26 lines inserted, and 10 lines deleted

On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:52:40 PDT
Greg Kroah-Hartman released kernel 3.4.53
With 15 files changed, 27 lines inserted, and 16 lines deleted

On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:54:17 PDT
Greg Kroah-Hartman released kernel 3.9.10
With 21 files changed, 94 lines inserted, and 40 lines deleted

On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 11:55:03 PDT
Greg Kroah-Hartman released kernel 3.10.1
With 25 files changed, 108 lines inserted, and 57 lines deleted

Kernel Developer Quote:
The 3.10.1-rc1 kernel is out for review. Bonus is a rant from me about the patches being submitted for the stable trees.

To view his rant see this post to the Linux Kernel Mailing List

Distro Talk: Tony

Time: 18:15


Distro of the Week: Tony

  1. MidnightBSD – 1412
  2. Ubuntu – 1472
  3. Fedora – 1541
  4. Debian – 1649
  5. Mint – 3336

Mary Distro Review – LegacyOS 2 (Gamer Edition)

Time: 32:50

Never have I seen so much stuff jammed into one location, except maybe the time I saw Mat attempt to consume a 20-scoop ice cream dessert at Ohio Linux Fest last year. Remember that Schooner, Mat? I’ve got pictures. Of course two months later we know the rest of the story.

This week’s review is of a Linux Distro that I would actually call KitchenSinkOS. It has everything. You want to play videos– there are five different tools. You want to play CDs—there are three different tools. Need a file manager– there are four (yes, including Dolphin). Three different options to organize your life (Xournal, Didiwiki, Osmo)
And you know something’s up along those lines when Amarok, the main KDE audio player is listed in Miscellaneous menu!

So, would LegacyOS be retro cool gamer’s paradise…or should Duke Nukem take his trusty Devastator and tendorize this dog of a distro?

The Vitals:
Name: LegacyOS 2.1 “Gamer” edition (I found out that LegacyOS used to be known as TeenPup)
Maintainer: John Van Gaans
Distro Latest Birthday: 7/8/2013
Derivative: Puppy Linux
Kernel: According to uname -a, the kernel is 2.6.18
Review Desktop: IceWM

LegacyOS is designed for older computers, hence the Legacy reference.

Live Environment:

The boot process to go live allows you to supply particular boot parameters and LegacyOS lists them out for you.

Graphics: ✘ ( i915)
Wireless: (ipw3945)

Goes through a keyboard and screen resolution process before you are booted to the live desktop. When it completes, I am presented with a nice-looking IceWM desktop. Single panel at the bottom holds all of the typical icons, including a quick launch menu that takes two clicks to launch anything (one to activate the menu, a second to start the program.

The Defaults
Browser: Opera, Konqueror, (According to the maintainer, Seamonkey, Firefox, Google Chrome and others are no longer compatible with Legacy OS)
Office Suite: None – Gnumeric, Abiword
Mail Client: None that I could see.
File Manager: Konqueror, Rox, Dolphin, Krusader. That’s right this distro has some KDE added. KDE 3.5.4. Now that is retro!

The Install Process:

Installer was tucked away in Applications > Setup > Install-Remaster > Legacy OS to Hard Drive Installer. In addition to this type of install, you can remaster to Live-CD, create a boot floppy, or “Dougal enhanced CD remaster.”

The install kicks off by starting two tools: The first was MUT (Media Utility Tool) which essentially manages the mounting of media and partitions on your system. Initially, there was a bit of confusion associated with this tool. I was under the impression that my CD was mounted but it showed that it was not. The second tool was Gparted. I also was instructed to make sure the install media was inserted. It was.

There are several options for install, including installing to USB drives as well as a hard drive. I selected hard drive and clicked OK. There was a notice from the installer regarding my chosen drive (it was the only option on the previous screen).

The first time I installed, it warned me by asking if I wanted to install Legacy OS2 in “super floppy” mode, i.e. no MBR and no partitions? The downside to a Superfloppy install is that it contains no boot partition, so it’s impossible to boot from the device. For one of my several install attempts, Supperfloppy was my only option (despite the fact that I repartitioned my 80gb hard drive). After selecting it, I had the option of reformatting as ext3 or vfat. I chose ext3. It wasn’t clear why I was offered a format option for a second time—remember, Gparted was one of two tools started after I chose to install to hard drive.

But wait…another window. It went into quite a bit of detail as to the consequences of my choice. At this rate, the review would not be finished by Sunday. Option 1: means copying the kernel, initrd and pup_214.sfs to the drive in a way that allows the previous content to coexist. Of course the partition format must be FAT32.

Option 2: was the normal install. I selected that choice and the file copying began.

However, at the conclusion of the install, a window flashed before me stating “if all went well, Legacy OS 2 has been installed to sda. But now we have the sometimes difficult part, how to make Legacy OS 2 bootable.” It went on to offer me a couple of choices: A boot disk—Use a floppy disk or USB pen-drive to boot LegacyOS or boot from Grub. I chose boot from Grub…another window. (This distro has more dialog windows than Imelda Marcos had shoes!) It’s telling me what to choose “defaults” except when it asks where to install Grub…in that case, I should choose the MBR. OK, fine.

Then another window describing Grub and offering two options: Simple or expert. By this time I was so worn down, I chose simple… Next window presented frame buffer console options and this question (Would I like to risk a failed install and use the frame buffer console or play it safe and use the recommended standard Linux console? Hmmm…I pick safe. Now, Safe this time…on to the install. But wait, where do I want GRUB to go. My choice is /dev/sda and after a little back and forth, I thought I had successfully installed grub on the MBR, although I tested the other options, including . I was sadly mistaken. I rebooted…except the reboot didn’t work. I had a backlit screen and that was it…

Installed Environment:

There was no installed environment for me because was unable to get LegacyOS2 to boot. Update: I finally was able to get Legacy OS to boot to a IceWM desktop.

Other interesting Programs:

As I noted at the top of the review, LegacyOS2 contains quite a few programs. It’s strength is the number of games that have been included. The game menu container has five categories: mind games, card games, arcade games, puzzle games, and misc. Pacman works great.

My rating has a Jekyll/Hyde aspect to it. For the benign Dr. Jekyll’s live environment: It was very nice and well laid out. The Live CD was jammed packed with a ton of apps and programs. It’s amazing that so much was crammed on to a single CD. You really have options. 2.8.

For the install process crafted by the insane Mr. Hyde: The install process for LegacyOS2 had to be one of the worst I have witnessed. I tried at least three times to get LegacyOS2 to install properly, and almost thought I had it but to no avail. Perhaps it was my Dell laptop, but the disorganized plethora of Windows makes LegacyOS confusing for anyone new to Linux and frustrating for others. 1.3


Tech News:

Time: 50:05

Hit And Run Driver Kills Seth Vidal

Seth Vidal the amazing man who brought us YUM and Fedora was run down by a hit and driver on July 8th. He will be sorely missed, but he will live on in his contributions. For more information use Google, and see these:

An excellent eulogy by his friend Konstantin Ryabitsev:

And Red Hats announcement:

His official obituary here:

Small Linux Gadget Delivers Practically Unlimited Storage

The device called simply “Plug” is about 10.6×4.3×0.79in. They set a goal of $69,000 but after their first 24hrs of being on kickstarter they had raised $118,000, almost doubling their goal. The small Plug device forgoes cloud storage for a local approach. Where a driver installed on each computer or mobile device, that you wish to have access to the drive or drives, intercepts filesystem accesses and redirects the data reads and writes to drives attached to the user’s Plug device. The Plug does not rely on any Cloud-based storage services. It gives the user in complete control of all storage devices. It is planned to work even across the Internet. This is what their kickstarter page said:

“when Plug is installed on your computer, our application intercepts all the input/output operations performed on your files, using several patent pending technologies.”

The Plug uses an OpenWRT-based Linux distribution using an unnamed x86-based processor. It includes a USB 2.0 port and a 10/100 Ethernet port averaging a transfer rate of 30Mbps. All those pledging $69 will receive a unit, however the retail pricing is estimated at $150.


Reviews don’t matter?

Microsoft/NSA Collaboration



Arch Linux Reinventing the File System Structure?


Replacement for phpmyadmin?


KDE Korner

Dolphin bugs fixed in June 2013
Bug 317676: Dolphin freezes/hangs when copying large files!  FIXED!!


Octopi 0.1.9 was released this week.



Silicon (KDE CD/DVD software). Silicon is set of OpenSource tools to manage and organize your optical discs like CDs ,DVDs and Blu-rays..


Amarok Apollo WebUI 1.0

native apps for mobile devices: the Android app is coming soon…

KDE Releases every 3 months (Proposed by Alex Fiestas)



Other item:


The Toolbox

Time: 1:18:25
Manpage http://man.cx/ttyrec(1)

Tutorial on ttyrec: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znzFsc0P8M

Listener Feedback:

show (at) smlr.us or 313-626-9140
Time: 1:24:15

Outtro Music

Time: 1:30:30

There Is Science In This ChildAlbum by Intercontinental Music Lab

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  • Easz says:

    I don’t use an RSS reader, but I DO use the RSS feed links from any site that I want to keep track of & doesn’t use “feedburner” (I’m behind the Bamboo Curtain which blocks feedburner & blogspot sites) in my Firefox Bookmarks Toolbar which, when I pass my mouse pointer over the RSS link, in turn, pops up a listing of articles that I have read (grayed out) & not read (not grayed out).

  • Egil Bjarkö says:

    Great show as always!

    I really must say that your shows are fun, educating an professional. The three of you make a great team with your different personalities and perspectives which makes the show so entertaining to listen to. Also the web page is good with a good presentation of the shownotes. I felt that I should share some of my experiences from hopping between linux distros. I started out with Redhat and Suse back in 2000 and then got really hooked on Mandrake. Since a few years back I have mostly been using Ubuntu/ Debian based distros, first Ubuntu, but after Unity I jumped ship to Linux Mint. I have tried out Puppy and really liked it, though I never managed to install it to a hard drive. I thought I had succeeded installing it on the flash drive on a thin client, but I never managed to boot it after the installation. I love linux and the freedom and the open way it has been developed and has evolved. The freedom FROM Windows also gives me great satisfaction. I keep struggling to find a distro that I can settle with for at least a few months. Sometimes I jump ship because my system keeps freezing or that it refuses to shut down and I feel like this is because of bugs related to the Ubuntu base. I have tried pure Debian a few times, but I get tired of the error messages at boot, sound issues and outdated software. I also have issues with all the desktop environments. KDE is too much “stuff” XFCE, LXDE seems to primitive, Unity and also Gnome 3 has felt hard to work with. Cimmamon and MATE felt ok for a while, but — oh I dont’ know. Maybe I am just a nut case. I want to be on the fron edge of development so now it is Fedora 19. I chose Gnome 3.8.2 which is actually quite cool, at least this week. Slackware would be to much for me, Mat, I can hardly get Debian to run as I want. What about a broad rundown of the desktops where you all try to be as objective as Mary always succeeds with in her distro reviews? Keep up the great work and please keep the episodes coming. They have gotten to to like the air that I breathe. I am sure there are lots of other out there like me who love the three of you!

    Egil Bjarkö

  • Mike says:

    The content of the podcast is good and worth listening to. Thanks! However, Mat’s laugh is really grating on me; I just start listening and then hear a loud AHAHHA, then when listening to you share your experiences another AHAHAHA. Then just when I’m starting to enjoy it, another AHAHHAH. It’s hurting my ears as I listen using headphones. Perhaps I could normalize the sound of the podcast, but I thought I would bring it to your attention.

    Apart from this minor thing, an excellent podcast for all Linux enthusiasts, thank you all involved.

  • Lea says:

    Aw, I like Mat’s laugh. But it’s true that either his mike is turned up more and Tony’s is turned down (kind of hard to hear him), or else Mat’s voice is just louder and Tony’s is softer. Maybe some sound level adjustments can be made.

    I just found this podcast a couple of months ago and also like it a lot! I’ve gone back and listened to a few of the older ones to hear the distro reviews.

    BTW since the show without Tony was called the M & M show, I think the next show, with Mary gone, should be called the “MT” show. 😉

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